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With upcoming change to Berserker where melee speed gets some limit to an extent, it's a nice change to set some balance (that's what they ... Jumptocontent News Creators Store PrimeAccess General Browse Forums Discord Fandom Facebook Twitter YouTube Twitch More Activity AllActivity MyActivityStreams UnreadContent ContentIStarted Search More LatestStaffReplies CommunityFAQ SupportDesk Guidelines More More SearchIn Everywhere Topics ThisForum ThisTopic Moreoptions... Findresultsthatcontain... Allofmysearchtermwords Anyofmysearchtermwords Findresultsin... Contenttitlesandbody Contenttitlesonly AllActivity Home Feedback General ChangeonBerserkerisastepinrightdirectionandmoremodsneedtofollowthispath AngelsoftheZarimanSubforum PSA:AngelsoftheZariman:SpoilerCourtesy! ChangeonBerserkerisastepinrightdirectionandmoremodsneedtofollowthispath PC By TheArmchairThinker,June24,2021inGeneral  Share Moresharingoptions... Followers 1 Prev 1 2 Next Page1of2  RecommendedPosts TheArmchairThinker PostedJune24,2021 TheArmchairThinker PCMember 899 Share PostedJune24,2021 WithupcomingchangetoBerserkerwheremeleespeedgetssomelimittoanextent,it'sanicechangetosetsomebalance(that'swhattheysaid)andIthinkmoremodscanbesettochangetomakeitnotstackingwithothermods,narrowingthegap. SomemodsIthinkcanbeputtochangefurther -Conditionoverload Rightnow,itstackswith PressurePoint/Primed,givingitmultiplication bonusontopofbasedamageincrease.IthinkwecanmakeittonotstackwithPressurePoint/Primed,Puttinglimitonhowhighthebasedamagecango -Element/Statusmods VolcanicStrike,VirulentScourge,VoltaicStrikeandViciousFrostcanbemadenotstackingwiththeirpureelement(MoltenImpact,FeverStrike(Primed),ShockingTouchandFocusEnergy, andNorthWind)toreducetheelementaldamageincrease(150%oneachelement,upto300%oncombinedelement).Wecanalsoapplythisonotherweaponsaswell -BloodRush Itshouldn'tstackwithTrueSteel/SacrificalSteel/Gladiator,reducingthecriticalchancejumponmeleewithhighbasecriticalchance(25%+) Galvanizedmodsshouldalsoneverabletostackwithothermods,preventing"powercreep"bystackingasmuchmultiplicationaspossible 4 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... LuckyCharm PostedJune24,2021 LuckyCharm PCMember 3.2k Share PostedJune24,2021 Idon'tquiteseethepointinlimitingourpowerwhentheresalreadywaysto1shottheentirestarchartetcwithouthavinganyoverlapinmods.Ifanythingtheyneedmorecreativewaystomodthatisntjustbasestats  10 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... PublikDomain PostedJune24,2021 PublikDomain PCMember 3.8k Share PostedJune24,2021 Whatdoyoumeanby"notstacking"?Likemathematically.Becausethewaymodscombinerightnowalreadyproducesthelowestvalues. 5 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... -Kittens- PostedJune24,2021 -Kittens- PCMember 1.9k Share PostedJune24,2021 1hourago,TheArmchairThinkersaid: WithupcomingchangetoBerserkerwheremeleespeedgetssomelimittoanextent,it'sanicechangetosetsomebalance(that'swhattheysaid)andIthinkmoremodscanbesettochangetomakeitnotstackingwithothermods,narrowingthegap. SomemodsIthinkcanbeputtochangefurther -Conditionoverload Rightnow,itstackswith PressurePoint/Primed,givingitmultiplication bonusontopofbasedamageincrease.IthinkwecanmakeittonotstackwithPressurePoint/Primed,Puttinglimitonhowhighthebasedamagecango -Element/Statusmods VolcanicStrike,VirulentScourge,VoltaicStrikeandViciousFrostcanbemadenotstackingwiththeirpureelement(MoltenImpact,FeverStrike(Primed),ShockingTouchandFocusEnergy, andNorthWind)toreducetheelementaldamageincrease(150%oneachelement,upto300%oncombinedelement).Wecanalsoapplythisonotherweaponsaswell -BloodRush Itshouldn'tstackwithTrueSteel/SacrificalSteel/Gladiator,reducingthecriticalchancejumponmeleewithhighbasecriticalchance(25%+) Galvanizedmodsshouldalsoneverabletostackwithothermods,preventing"powercreep"bystackingasmuchmultiplicationaspossible Nooneforcesyoutoputanymodsinyourweapons.Ifthemodissooffensiveandhurtsyourhindpartssovociferously,removeit. Prettysimple.Theentirepremiseofthisgameandwhatmakesituniqueisfreedomofmovementandexponentialapplicationof________onenemiesandyouturningitintoOutriderswillhaveanidenticalreceptiontoOutridersfromplayers. 8 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... George_PPS PostedJune24,2021 George_PPS PCMember 1.8k Share PostedJune24,2021 1hourago,TheArmchairThinkersaid: WithupcomingchangetoBerserkerwheremeleespeedgetssomelimittoanextent,it'sanicechangetosetsomebalance(that'swhattheysaid)andIthinkmoremodscanbesettochangetomakeitnotstackingwithothermods,narrowingthegap. SomemodsIthinkcanbeputtochangefurther -Conditionoverload Rightnow,itstackswith PressurePoint/Primed,givingitmultiplication bonusontopofbasedamageincrease.IthinkwecanmakeittonotstackwithPressurePoint/Primed,Puttinglimitonhowhighthebasedamagecango -Element/Statusmods VolcanicStrike,VirulentScourge,VoltaicStrikeandViciousFrostcanbemadenotstackingwiththeirpureelement(MoltenImpact,FeverStrike(Primed),ShockingTouchandFocusEnergy, andNorthWind)toreducetheelementaldamageincrease(150%oneachelement,upto300%oncombinedelement).Wecanalsoapplythisonotherweaponsaswell -BloodRush Itshouldn'tstackwithTrueSteel/SacrificalSteel/Gladiator,reducingthecriticalchancejumponmeleewithhighbasecriticalchance(25%+) Galvanizedmodsshouldalsoneverabletostackwithothermods,preventing"powercreep"bystackingasmuchmultiplicationaspossible Wow,yourfirstpost isalongoneandyou PROACTIVELY askingfornerfing.NOANYREALPLAYERSWOULDASKANYTHINGLIKE WHATYOUHAVE PROPOSED.  What’sgoinghere?Youhadnoratingsandnooneagreeswithyou.AreyouworkingforDE’scompetitors?  11 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... PublikDomain PostedJune24,2021 PublikDomain PCMember 3.8k Share PostedJune24,2021 25minutesago,George_PPSsaid: Wow,yourfirstpost isalongoneandyou PROACTIVELY askingfornerfing.NOANYREALPLAYERSWOULDASKANYTHINGLIKE WHATYOUHAVE PROPOSED.  What’sgoinghere?Youhadnoratingsandnooneagreeswithyou.AreyouworkingforDE’scompetitors?  4 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Sojufueled PostedJune24,2021 Sojufueled PCMember 288 Share PostedJune24,2021 2hoursago,TheArmchairThinkersaid: WithupcomingchangetoBerserkerwheremeleespeedgetssomelimittoanextent,it'sanicechangetosetsomebalance(that'swhattheysaid)andIthinkmoremodscanbesettochangetomakeitnotstackingwithothermods,narrowingthegap. SomemodsIthinkcanbeputtochangefurther -Conditionoverload Rightnow,itstackswith PressurePoint/Primed,givingitmultiplication bonusontopofbasedamageincrease.IthinkwecanmakeittonotstackwithPressurePoint/Primed,Puttinglimitonhowhighthebasedamagecango -Element/Statusmods VolcanicStrike,VirulentScourge,VoltaicStrikeandViciousFrostcanbemadenotstackingwiththeirpureelement(MoltenImpact,FeverStrike(Primed),ShockingTouchandFocusEnergy, andNorthWind)toreducetheelementaldamageincrease(150%oneachelement,upto300%oncombinedelement).Wecanalsoapplythisonotherweaponsaswell -BloodRush Itshouldn'tstackwithTrueSteel/SacrificalSteel/Gladiator,reducingthecriticalchancejumponmeleewithhighbasecriticalchance(25%+) Galvanizedmodsshouldalsoneverabletostackwithothermods,preventing"powercreep"bystackingasmuchmultiplicationaspossible Whylimititstackingifnogoodbuildsarestackingthemanyway? 1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (NSW)Greybones PostedJune24,2021 (NSW)Greybones PCMember 4.1k Share PostedJune24,2021 1hourago,George_PPSsaid: Wow,yourfirstpost isalongoneandyou PROACTIVELY askingfornerfing.NOANYREALPLAYERSWOULDASKANYTHINGLIKE WHATYOUHAVE PROPOSED.  What’sgoinghere?Youhadnoratingsandnooneagreeswithyou.AreyouworkingforDE’scompetitors?  …What? 2 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... iLikeCookiesQ PostedJune24,2021 iLikeCookiesQ PCMember 11 Share PostedJune24,2021 ConditionOverload*doesnot*stackmultiplicativelywithpressurepoint.Itadds.Thingsthataddtoeachotherareoflowerconcernbalancewise,becausecombiningthemresultsindiminshingreturns.Idon'tseeareasonwhythedualstatelementalmodsshouldnotstackthewaytheydo(additively),becausebuildsthatcontainboththenormalelementalmodANDthestatuselementalmodforthesameelementaremostlikelygoingtobesuboptimalanywayduetodimishingreturns. Bloodrushandpointstrikealsostackadditively.Usingbothbloodrushandpointstrikeonyourmeleeagain,doesnotmakethebestbuilds.Youareoverinvestingincriticalchancewhichgivesyoulessdamagethanyoucouldgetifyoutookanothermod. 101x99isalwayslessthan100x100,andthatswhyyoushouldnotoverinvestin1damagescalingchannel.Youareaskingforbalancechecksinplaceswedon'tneedthembecausetheydon'tmakeoptimalbuildsanyway. 5 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... parttimeparty PostedJune24,2021 parttimeparty PCMember 184 Share PostedJune24,2021 IlaughedattheOP.Carryon. 10 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (PSN)Madurai-Prime PostedJune24,2021 (PSN)Madurai-Prime PSNMember 5.9k Share PostedJune24,2021 Nothankyou. 1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 PostedJune24,2021 (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 XboxMember 12.1k Share PostedJune24,2021 (edited) Toanextent? They’renerfingitsconditionbymakingitonkill.Whichrendersthemodcompletelyuselessagainstsingletargets. Thedurationsgettingnerfedmakingthefirstpointevenmoreofanissue. makeit’sbeingturnedintoavariantofFury.Meaningthemodscannolongerstack.Whichmeansanyweaponthat’stooslowandNEEDSbothmodstobeusableisnogoingtobecomeMRFodder. InfactthewholeideaofnerfingattackspeedlikethisisabsurdbecauseIdon’tknowanyonewhosaystheabsolutebestwaytomodaweaponisjuststackalltheattackspeedontoit.SounlessDEstartsshowingsomestatisticsaboutthemodandarcanesusageratesforattackspeedIhavezeroreasontobelieveanyoneisactuallybuildingtheirweaponslikethat. Nothingaboutthisnerfisa“stepintherightdirection”.  EditedJune24,2021by(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 5 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Sl4ught3r777 PostedJune24,2021 Sl4ught3r777 PCMember 45 Share PostedJune24,2021 sowhydon'tutrytakingaweapon(any)andtryto hitwithoutanycombocountersincealluwanttodoisrawdamagejusttakeaweaponw/oanymodandplaysameforframeaswell    Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)YoungGunn82 PostedJune24,2021 (XBOX)YoungGunn82 XboxMember 13.9k Share PostedJune24,2021 IfDEwantsthiergametobemorecoopfriendlytheconditionof"onkill"isthewrongdirection. 9 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... TheLexiConArtist PostedJune25,2021 TheLexiConArtist PCMember 3.1k Share PostedJune25,2021 Anunreliablecoreperformancebuffisanalogoustonobuff.Don'tparticularlycaretoomuchabouttheFurymutual-exclusion(becausewestillhaveQuickeningandGladVice)buttheshortbuffdurationandon-killgatingleaveBerserkerdeadinthewaterbyitself. 1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... NeoRetro10K PostedJune26,2021 NeoRetro10K PCMember 409 Share PostedJune26,2021 On2021-06-25at2:50PM,TheLexiConArtistsaid: Anunreliablecoreperformancebuffisanalogoustonobuff.Don'tparticularlycaretoomuchabouttheFurymutual-exclusion(becausewestillhaveQuickeningandGladVice)buttheshortbuffdurationandon-killgatingleaveBerserkerdeadinthewaterbyitself. Completelyagreedwithyou,andcompletelydisagreewithOP. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... zordox PostedJune27,2021 zordox Hunter 11 Share PostedJune27,2021 On2021-06-23at9:47PM,TheArmchairThinkersaid: WithupcomingchangetoBerserkerwheremeleespeedgetssomelimittoanextent,it'sanicechangetosetsomebalance(that'swhattheysaid)andIthinkmoremodscanbesettochangetomakeitnotstackingwithothermods,narrowingthegap. SomemodsIthinkcanbeputtochangefurther -Conditionoverload Rightnow,itstackswith PressurePoint/Primed,givingitmultiplication bonusontopofbasedamageincrease.IthinkwecanmakeittonotstackwithPressurePoint/Primed,Puttinglimitonhowhighthebasedamagecango -Element/Statusmods VolcanicStrike,VirulentScourge,VoltaicStrikeandViciousFrostcanbemadenotstackingwiththeirpureelement(MoltenImpact,FeverStrike(Primed),ShockingTouchandFocusEnergy, andNorthWind)toreducetheelementaldamageincrease(150%oneachelement,upto300%oncombinedelement).Wecanalsoapplythisonotherweaponsaswell -BloodRush Itshouldn'tstackwithTrueSteel/SacrificalSteel/Gladiator,reducingthecriticalchancejumponmeleewithhighbasecriticalchance(25%+) Galvanizedmodsshouldalsoneverabletostackwithothermods,preventing"powercreep"bystackingasmuchmultiplicationaspossible I'mjustimaginingDEignoringallthenegativefeedbackaboutthemeleenerf,thenseeingthisguy'spostandbeinglike"preach,brother!hellyeah!" 4 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Scar.brother.help.me PostedJune27,2021 Scar.brother.help.me PCMember 777 Share PostedJune27,2021 On2021-06-24at12:28PM,(XBOX)GearsMatrix301said: Toanextent? They’renerfingitsconditionbymakingitonkill.Whichrendersthemodcompletelyuselessagainstsingletargets. Thedurationsgettingnerfedmakingthefirstpointevenmoreofanissue. makeit’sbeingturnedintoavariantofFury.Meaningthemodscannolongerstack.Whichmeansanyweaponthat’stooslowandNEEDSbothmodstobeusableisnogoingtobecomeMRFodder. InfactthewholeideaofnerfingattackspeedlikethisisabsurdbecauseIdon’tknowanyonewhosaystheabsolutebestwaytomodaweaponisjuststackalltheattackspeedontoit.SounlessDEstartsshowingsomestatisticsaboutthemodandarcanesusageratesforattackspeedIhavezeroreasontobelieveanyoneisactuallybuildingtheirweaponslikethat. Nothingaboutthisnerfisa“stepintherightdirection”.  IthinkthemainreasonofattackspeedforDEistheirbutthurtabouttheirhardworkputintotheanimationsthatwecannotadmirewithtoomuchspeed:D HaveyouseentheirDevStreamswhentheypresentsomenewmeleeandreactonit'smovesetslike"WHOAHITSSOOOCOOOOL" Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... LuckyCharm PostedJune27,2021 LuckyCharm PCMember 3.2k Share PostedJune27,2021 43minutesago,Scar.brother.help.mesaid: IthinkthemainreasonofattackspeedforDEistheirbutthurtabouttheirhardworkputintotheanimationsthatwecannotadmirewithtoomuchspeed:D HaveyouseentheirDevStreamswhentheypresentsomenewmeleeandreactonit'smovesetslike"WHOAHITSSOOOCOOOOL" Hatetothinkwhatchangesareinmindtomakeuswatchtheidleanimationsmorewithhowthosegodowntoohaha Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Andele3025 PostedJune27,2021 Andele3025 PCMember 2.2k Share PostedJune27,2021 (edited) OPcantbefurtherawayfromwrong.ReducingmoddingandmakingitworthlessjustmeansPFury/ArcaneStriketakesthespot.Zerkbeingmultiplicativewascoolforfastweaponsbutinthegrandschemenotveryrelevantasyouwouldntputmoreattackspeedmodsoneitherwayunlessitwasapureslashsetupandwereculturedenoughtounderstandthat+55%attackspeedwasabettertotalstatusmultithan55%factiondamage(akamaybe1%oftheplayerbasewould)ordoingmemesetupsthatdonteffectthemetaeitherway(nottomentionthatasanotherpersonalreadynoted,CO,BRandElementalsalreadystackinthemathematicallyleasteffectivewaywithintheirowncategory). 50minutesago,Scar.brother.help.mesaid: hardworkputintotheanimations Ah,thehardworkthattheythemselvesbutcheredandthengluedwithanimationlocksinmelee2.9998thatdidntreallyloseanydetailsat8.3attackspeedbutnotrequires3+attackspeedtonotbeterriblyjankandunresponsivetootherinputs? EditedJune27,2021byAndele3025 1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 PostedJune27,2021 (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 XboxMember 12.1k Share PostedJune27,2021 2hoursago,Scar.brother.help.mesaid: IthinkthemainreasonofattackspeedforDEistheirbutthurtabouttheirhardworkputintotheanimationsthatwecannotadmirewithtoomuchspeed:D HaveyouseentheirDevStreamswhentheypresentsomenewmeleeandreactonit'smovesetslike"WHOAHITSSOOOCOOOOL" Ifthat’sthecasethentheywayoverstepped.Theycouldhavejustreducedtheattackspeedupslightly.ButnotheyliterallycompletelychangedeveryaspectoftheBerserkermodtorenderitcompletelyuselessnow. Thatsnotjust“Ohwe’rereducingattackspeedbecausewewantouranimationstobeappreciated”that’s“Heywehatetheideaofyoudealingdamagequickly,sowecompletelyguttedanessentialmod,sonowanyweaponwithanattackspeedbelow.9isnowgarbage”.   1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 PostedJune27,2021 (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 XboxMember 12.1k Share PostedJune27,2021 2hoursago,Scar.brother.help.mesaid: IthinkthemainreasonofattackspeedforDEistheirbutthurtabouttheirhardworkputintotheanimationsthatwecannotadmirewithtoomuchspeed:D HaveyouseentheirDevStreamswhentheypresentsomenewmeleeandreactonit'smovesetslike"WHOAHITSSOOOCOOOOL" Ifthat’sthecasethentheywayoverstepped.Theycouldhavejustreducedtheattackspeedupslightly.ButnotheyliterallycompletelychangedeveryaspectoftheBerserkermodtorenderitcompletelyuselessnow. Thatsnotjust“Ohwe’rereducingattackspeedbecausewewantouranimationstobeappreciated”that’s“Heywehatetheideaofyoudealingdamagequickly,sowecompletelyguttedanessentialmod,sonowanyweaponwithanattackspeedbelow.9isnowgarbage”.   1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... TheArmchairThinker PostedJune29,2021 TheArmchairThinker PCMember 899 Author Share PostedJune29,2021 On2021-06-24at11:41AM,George_PPSsaid: Wow,yourfirstpost isalongoneandyou PROACTIVELY askingfornerfing.NOANYREALPLAYERSWOULDASKANYTHINGLIKE WHATYOUHAVE PROPOSED.  What’sgoinghere?Youhadnoratingsandnooneagreeswithyou.AreyouworkingforDE’scompetitors?  WhatifIsayI'mjusttakingwhateversideandIhappentobeonthe"wewantbalance,challengeanddifficulty"sideatthemoment? 1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... TheArmchairThinker PostedJune29,2021 TheArmchairThinker PCMember 899 Author Share PostedJune29,2021 On2021-06-27at6:42PM,(XBOX)GearsMatrix301said: Ifthat’sthecasethentheywayoverstepped.Theycouldhavejustreducedtheattackspeedupslightly.ButnotheyliterallycompletelychangedeveryaspectoftheBerserkermodtorenderitcompletelyuselessnow. Thatsnotjust“Ohwe’rereducingattackspeedbecausewewantouranimationstobeappreciated”that’s“Heywehatetheideaofyoudealingdamagequickly,sowecompletelyguttedanessentialmod,sonowanyweaponwithanattackspeedbelow.9isnowgarbage”.   Whatis"essential"anyway?Iseeberserkerchangefromcriticalmeleeonlytoanymeleebeingabletoget75%speedonkillisprettyniceandit'snotlikemeleeisgarbageevenforweaponswithattackspeedbelow.9withhowhighthebasedamageandotherstatsare Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 PostedJune29,2021 (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 XboxMember 12.1k Share PostedJune29,2021 7hoursago,TheArmchairThinkersaid: Whatis"essential"anyway?Iseeberserkerchangefromcriticalmeleeonlytoanymeleebeingabletoget75%speedonkillisprettyniceandit'snotlikemeleeisgarbageevenforweaponswithattackspeedbelow.9withhowhighthebasedamageandotherstatsare Berserkerwillnolongerbeusableagainstsingletargetslikebosses. It’llalsobeuselessforhigherlevelswhereittakeslongertokilltheenemyasitsdurationisbeingreducedto10measlyseconds. WhywouldIuseaweaponlikeArcatitronwherewiththesechangesI’dhavetospendseveralsecondswaitingfortheanimationstoplayoutsoitcanactuallydealdamagewhenIcanjustuseafastermeleelikeNikanaprimeandactuallyhaveaweaponthatdoesn’ttakeaHalfayeartoactuallyhittheenemy.  1 Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Prev 1 2 Next Page1of2  Createanaccountorsignintocomment Youneedtobeamemberinordertoleaveacomment Createanaccount Signupforanewaccountinourcommunity.It'seasy! Registeranewaccount Signin Alreadyhaveanaccount?Signinhere. SignInNow  Share Moresharingoptions... 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