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Mathematically, Critical Delay can be slightly better than Point Strike when you build around it, on a weapon that suits it. It works best on ... Jumptocontent News Creators Store PrimeAccess Weapons Browse Forums Discord Fandom Facebook Twitter YouTube Twitch More Activity AllActivity MyActivityStreams UnreadContent ContentIStarted Search More LatestStaffReplies CommunityFAQ SupportDesk Guidelines More More SearchIn Everywhere Topics ThisForum ThisTopic Moreoptions... Findresultsthatcontain... Allofmysearchtermwords Anyofmysearchtermwords Findresultsin... Contenttitlesandbody Contenttitlesonly AllActivity Home Feedback Weapons CriticalDelayfinallygotabuff.Orsoithought... AngelsoftheZarimanSubforum PSA:AngelsoftheZariman:SpoilerCourtesy! CriticalDelayfinallygotabuff.Orsoithought... By Artekkor,March19,2021inWeapons Prev 1 2 Next Page1of2  RecommendedPosts Artekkor PostedMarch19,2021 Artekkor PCMember 1.8k Share PostedMarch19,2021 After10yearsindevelopmentthemostlaughable"Rare"modfinallygotabuff.It nowprovides187%critchanceatthecostof36%firerate. AndthenifounditalsobecamemututallyexclusivewithPointStrike. Soletmegetthisstraight...Youofferme multiplicative37%extraCritical Chance....Atthecostof36%firerate. I'm genuinelydumbfoundedthatsomeonethoughtthiswasokay. Ifitwas200%imight'vestartedconsideringit,andeventhenitwouldonly havesomekind ofapurpose onslow weaponslikesnipersandbows.Andeventhenthatwouldstillrequiresomeextracoaxing. Backtothedrawingboardpleaseandtryagain,fortheloveofgod.Thatwassoclose! EitheritshouldbePointStrikecompatibleoritshould35-40%critchanceperrankforamaximumof210-240%critchance.Atleast.   Like...I'musuallynottheonetobeoverlycriticalofDE'sdesigndecisions,tryingtofindsomekindofsilverlininginthings.Butthisisactuallyundefendable.Thischangechangednothing.Mod'sstillbad.Not laughably bad,sothat'ssomeformofanimprovement.ButJesusChrist... Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... NekroArts PostedMarch19,2021 NekroArts PCMember 2.7k Share PostedMarch19,2021 Thesellingpointwassupposetobethis"greatereffectwhenbelow2.5firerate"and"synergy"withbothCriticalDelayandCreepingBullseye.Sofar,I'mnotseeinganythingnoticeable;eitherit'snotimplemented,bugged,orDEneedstooutrighttelluswhat'ssupposetohappen.  Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Teliko_Freedman PostedMarch19,2021 Teliko_Freedman PCMember 921 Share PostedMarch19,2021 Doesthisgreatereffectalsofalloffifweweretosay....getaffectedbyaWisp'sHastemote? Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Tiltskillet PostedMarch19,2021 Tiltskillet PCMember 5.3k Share PostedMarch19,2021 1hourago,Artekkorsaid: Butthisisactuallyundefendable TherearegoingtobesomecaseswhereextraRoFisnotbeingusedoriscounterproductiveduetorecoilorammoeconomy.Andforslowprecisionweapons,ifthatextracritgetsyoucloserto100%thanPointStrike,Icanseethatbeingworthwhile. CreepingBullseyeishardertodefendsinceit'scompetingagainstanother187critmod. 1hourago,NekroArtssaid: Thesellingpointwassupposetobethis"greatereffectwhenbelow2.5firerate"and"synergy"withbothCriticalDelayandCreepingBullseye. Ithinkthatsynergywaspurelyinreferencetothenewimpactproc}}slashprocmods. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Andele3025 PostedMarch20,2021 Andele3025 PCMember 2.2k Share PostedMarch20,2021 CreepingBullseyeandDelayreallyshouldntbemutuallyexclusivewithdefaultmods.IfDEwantstheycouldmakethefireratebeatotalinsteadofadditivewithmodsstattofullycenterontheprecisioncrits,butdamnthisalsoripscertaingunsthatreallywantedthat100%critforreliabilityto1tapheadshottinganysortietarget(whichwasrareenoughofabuildeitherwayasitsjustflatoutlessefficientonaveragethanslappingonanotherelementalmod). Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Artekkor PostedMarch20,2021 Artekkor PCMember 1.8k Author Share PostedMarch20,2021 11часовназад,Tiltskilletсказал: TherearegoingtobesomecaseswhereextraRoFisnotbeingusedoriscounterproductiveduetorecoilorammoeconomy.Andforslowprecisionweapons,ifthatextracritgetsyoucloserto100%thanPointStrike,Icanseethatbeingworthwhile. Icanhardlyimagineeven1case,letaloneacouple.Atthatpointwemightaswellslaptheweapons'namesontothemodandmakeitexclusivetothem,atleastwewon'thavetoplaytheguessinggame. Ifthisuniversalmodonlyhasanyfunctiononlike5(andi'mbeingverycharitable)gunsoutof142primaryweaponswecurrentlyhaveinthegame-ithinkthat'sbad.Atthatpointwearetryingtofindgunsthatfitthemodandnottheotherwayaround. Andi'dstillarguethatthetradeisnotworthit.37%extraCCfor36%firerateisabadtrade,nomatterhowilookatit.Thesestatsaretraded1/1liketheyareequallyvaluablewhichisnotthecase,neverwas.You'relosingathirdofyourfirerate togainextra3,7%critchanceper10%thegunalreadyhad. Test1:iuseditonParisPrime.CCwentfrom112,5%>129,2%. Theprice:chargeratewentfrom0,50>1,79.Almost2wholesecondsofcharging.IjustmadeaS#&$tierDaikyu.Whoonearthwouldusethis? Okay,letstryKuvaChakkhurr. CC:125%>143,5% FireRate:1.17>0,747. Fieldtest:becausegun/recoilanimationsdon'tgetadjustedtofireratethereisnowanannoying0,5secondsdelaywhereican'tfiremygunfornoapparentreasons,likeitjamms.Nothorrible,butstillannoying.Ihavetocount2secondsinmyheadbeforeicanfireagain. Andagain,what'sthegain?Extra18,5%chancetomakeanorangecritinsteadofyellow.Anditsnotlikechakkhurrhasisseswithkillingsingletargetstobeginwith-itusuallyhasissuestakingoutmultipletargetsinarow.Anissueijustmadeworse. Andi'mstillfairlycertainiwillhaveabetterDPSbysimplyshootingmoreoften. Thisisuseless. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... SteveCutler PostedMarch20,2021 SteveCutler PCMember 616 Share PostedMarch20,2021 Theyreallyshouldbeabletobeequippedalongsidetheregularmods. Thepistolone,CreepingBullseye,especiallymakeszerosense.PrimedPistolGambitgivesexactlythesamecritchancebonus,butwithoutthefirerateloss. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Tiltskillet PostedMarch20,2021 Tiltskillet PCMember 5.3k Share PostedMarch20,2021 4hoursago,Artekkorsaid: Icanhardlyimagineeven1case,letaloneacouple.Atthatpointwemightaswellslaptheweapons'namesontothemodandmakeitexclusivetothem,atleastwewon'thavetoplaytheguessinggame. Ifthisuniversalmodonlyhasanyfunctiononlike5(andi'mbeingverycharitable)gunsoutof142primaryweaponswecurrentlyhaveinthegame-ithinkthat'sbad.Atthatpointwearetryingtofindgunsthatfitthemodandnottheotherwayaround.   Oh,I'mnotsuggestingitshouldn'tbeimprovedorthatitsnicheisn'ttoosmall. Idon'tseeanyreasonitshouldn'tbeequippablewithPointStrike. Failingthat,thebonusshouldbeincreased. Yousaiditwasindefensible. I'mnotresponding,Greatjob,DE!,only pointingouttherearesomesmalldefensesforit. EssentiallytheseboildowntocaseswherethereissurplusRoFgoingtowasteinnormalplay.   SomeweaponsIwouldconsiderusingCriticalDelayonatleastsituationallyareVectis,theLatrons,Rubico,Grakata,andAcceletra.  That'swithoutdigging,althoughIdoubtthere'smorethanafewotherswithoutgettingintomicro-nichecaseslikexweaponwithyrivenorzWarframeability.   4hoursago,Artekkorsaid: Test1:iuseditonParisPrime.CCwentfrom112,5%>129,2%. Theprice:chargeratewentfrom0,50>1,79.Almost2wholesecondsofcharging.IjustmadeaS#&$tierDaikyu.Whoonearthwouldusethis? Okay,letstryKuvaChakkhurr. CC:125%>143,5% FireRate:1.17>0,747. Fieldtest:becausegun/recoilanimationsdon'tgetadjustedtofireratethereisnowanannoying0,5secondsdelaywhereican'tfiremygunfornoapparentreasons,likeitjamms.Nothorrible,butstillannoying.Ihavetocount2secondsinmyheadbeforeicanfireagain. Andagain,what'sthegain?Extra18,5%chancetomakeanorangecritinsteadofyellow.Anditsnotlikechakkhurrhasisseswithkillingsingletargetstobeginwith-itusuallyhasissuestakingoutmultipletargetsinarow.Anissueijustmadeworse.   Whatisyourfixationwithusingitonbows? 😋Don'tevencontemplateusingitonbows. Thepenaltyisdoubled,thebonusisnot. Andsincethey'rechargeweapons,youfeeleverybitofthatdoubledpenaltywitheveryshot. Andthemostimportantcriticalbreakpointis100%. Meaningthatanyweaponwith40%+naturalcritlikeParisPrimegetstherewithPointStrike. Andtraditionalbowshavenoissueswithammoeconomyorrecoil,so...that'sactuallyimpressive: outof150orsoweapons,youmayhavechosentheworst inthegametotryCriticalDelayon. Chakkhurrisn'tquiteasbad,butit'sstilloneI'dhavedismissedoutofhandbeforetesting. Oneoftheslowestweaponsinthegame,sothere'slittleRoFopportunitygoingtowaste,andyou'renotgoingtocircumventanyofitsrecoil. Andagain,getsabove100%critwithPointStrikealone.     Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Artekkor PostedMarch20,2021 Artekkor PCMember 1.8k Author Share PostedMarch20,2021 3часаназад,Tiltskilletсказал: Oh,I'mnotsuggestingitshouldn'tbeimprovedorthatitsnicheisn'ttoosmall. Idon'tseeanyreasonitshouldn'tbeequippablewithPointStrike. Failingthat,thebonusshouldbeincreased. Yousaiditwasindefensible. I'mnotresponding,Greatjob,DE!,only pointingouttherearesomesmalldefensesforit. EssentiallytheseboildowntocaseswherethereissurplusRoFgoingtowasteinnormalplay.   SomeweaponsIwouldconsiderusingCriticalDelayonatleastsituationallyareVectis,theLatrons,Rubico,Grakata,andAcceletra.  That'swithoutdigging,althoughIdoubtthere'smorethanafewotherswithoutgettingintomicro-nichecaseslikexweaponwithyrivenorzWarframeability.     Whatisyourfixationwithusingitonbows? 😋Don'tevencontemplateusingitonbows. Thepenaltyisdoubled,thebonusisnot. Andsincethey'rechargeweapons,youfeeleverybitofthatdoubledpenaltywitheveryshot. Andthemostimportantcriticalbreakpointis100%. Meaningthatanyweaponwith40%+naturalcritlikeParisPrimegetstherewithPointStrike. Andtraditionalbowshavenoissueswithammoeconomyorrecoil,so...that'sactuallyimpressive: outof150orsoweapons,youmayhavechosentheworst inthegametotryCriticalDelayon. Chakkhurrisn'tquiteasbad,butit'sstilloneI'dhavedismissedoutofhandbeforetesting. Oneoftheslowestweaponsinthegame,sothere'slittleRoFopportunitygoingtowaste,andyou'renotgoingtocircumventanyofitsrecoil. Andagain,getsabove100%critwithPointStrikealone.     Hm.IguesstheGrakataoneresonateswithme.Ididusedthismodonitevenbeforethebuffandfoundslowergrakatakindacutetouse...Butstill,thegainincritchanceisjustnotgoodenoughtojustifynerfingyourDPSoutputbygood30%.Therecoilofgrakataissimplyfixedwiththatone-60%recoilmod,andwehaveadedicatedslotjustforit,sothismodisoutofjoboncetheplayergetshishandsonahandfulofformasandexilusadapter. Asforwhyigoforbows/chakkhurrs/alreadyslowgunsisbecauseithinkittobeafunideatotakeaslowweapon,makeitevenslowerbutinreturnitdeliversasinglenuke-punchthatcanjustnukethetargetoutofexistence.Adedicatedone-shotbosskiller,orsomethinglikethat.Ilikegunslikethat,butinwarframetheyalmostneverhavethedamagetocompensatetheslowness. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Uhkretor PostedMarch20,2021 Uhkretor PCMember 5.9k Share PostedMarch20,2021 19hoursago,Tiltskilletsaid: Ithinkthatsynergywaspurelyinreferencetothenewimpactproc}}slashprocmods. You'remostlyright. Thosenewmodslreadyhavethatincreasedeffectonweaponsthathavefirefatebelow2.5... EitherCriticalDelayorCreepingBullseyeshouldbeusedunderthesetwoconditions: FireRateoftheweapon,withfireratepenalties,goesbelow2.5 Weaponinquestionisnotabow.   AssaultRiflesseemtotakehigheradvantageofCriticalDelayifHunterMunitionsisbeingusedbyit...SoyoucanconsiderthatHunterMunitionsendsuphavingsynergywithCriticalDelay. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Tiltskillet PostedMarch20,2021 Tiltskillet PCMember 5.3k Share PostedMarch20,2021 32minutesago,Artekkorsaid: Butstill,thegainincritchanceisjustnotgoodenoughtojustifynerfingyourDPSoutputbygood30%. Inmostcases,absolutely. ButthatispaperDPS. Inactualgameplay,applieddpsisneverusingeveryavailableattackpersecond. Anyway,that'senoughquibblingfromme. Iagreewithyourpremise: takenonitsown,themodisstilltooweakoverall.  ("Takenonitsown"becausetheInternalBleedingmodchangesthepicturesomewhatforsomeweapons.) AndifPrimedPointStrikeeverhappens,it'sgoingtobeasbadoffasCreepingBullseye.   Probablyworse,sinceIthinktherearemoreissueswithrecoilandammoeconomywiththeside-arms. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)Rez090 PostedMarch20,2021 (XBOX)Rez090 XboxMember 2.5k Share PostedMarch20,2021 Sowhathasbeenchangedexactly?CriticalDelaycannobeequippedalongsidePointStrike? Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Tiltskillet PostedMarch20,2021 Tiltskillet PCMember 5.3k Share PostedMarch20,2021 10minutesago,(XBOX)Rez090said: Sowhathasbeenchangedexactly?CriticalDelaycannobeequippedalongsidePointStrike? That,andthecritbonusincreasedto187%. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)Rez090 PostedMarch20,2021 (XBOX)Rez090 XboxMember 2.5k Share PostedMarch20,2021 14minutesago,Tiltskilletsaid: That,andthecritbonusincreasedto187%. WhatisPointStrike'scritagain?150? Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Tiltskillet PostedMarch20,2021 Tiltskillet PCMember 5.3k Share PostedMarch20,2021 18minutesago,(XBOX)Rez090said: WhatisPointStrike'scritagain?150? Yah. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Headache-Inducer_ PostedMarch21,2021 Headache-Inducer_ PCMember 1 Share PostedMarch21,2021 Mathematically,CriticalDelaycanbeslightlybetterthanPointStrike whenyoubuildaroundit,onaweaponthatsuitsit.Itworksbestonweaponsthathaveveryhighbasecritstats andwhensupplementedbyfireratefromothermodsorbuffstomitigatethepenaltyonthemoditself.  https://overframe.gg/build/140996/ ExamplepureCrit/HunterMunitionsKuvaChakkhurbuildIjustwhippedupwhereCriticalDelayislessthan1%lesssustaineddamagethanPointStrike.AlmostidenticalinDPSperformance.Youcantestityourself,justreadthedescription.The90%firerateofVileAccelerationreallyreducesthepenaltyofCriticalDelay,andwithoutit,thesustainedDPSdrops asmuchasaround25%forCriticalDelay.RegularGunslingeralsoworkssimilarlytoVileAcceleration,butnotasgood.Themorefirerateyouadd,thebetterCriticalDelaybecomesoverPointStrike,includingfireratefromsomethinglikeHasteMoteorArcaneAcceleration. https://overframe.gg/build/141000/ AWukongKuvaBrammabuildIactuallyuse(infact,Imadethebuild,lookedupCriticalDelay,andfoundthisthread)thathasfireratemoddedon.Wukong'sclonedoesn'trunoutofammo,sothehittoammoeconomyfromincreasedfirerateisirrelevant.CriticalDelayisactuallyslightlyhighersustaineddamagethanPointStrikehere,about4%.CriticalDelay'spenaltyisdoubledonbows,butVileAcceleration'sbenefitisdoubled too. TimeswhenCriticalDelaymightbeslightlybetterthanPointStrike(bestifyouaredoingmultiplethingslisted belowatonce): One-in-the-chamber VectisPrimememebuildorotherone-round-magwepslikeKuvaTonkorwherefireratedoesn'tmatteranyways(actuallypretty goodhere) Poorammoeconomyorlowmagazinesizeweaponsthatarebestnotfiredindiscriminatelyanyways notably,theShedu'sbatteryreloadmechanicthatletsyourfirefullautoforever,withoutreloading,aslongasyouhaveslightfireratedecreaseorreloadspeedincrease.Usuallyyouwouldtrytogetthisonariven,butCriticalDelayworks,too. HunterMunitionsBuildswhereyouhit100%critwithCriticalDelaybutnotwithPointStrike(KuvaBrammaistheonlyoneIknowthatfitshere) Verycritfocusedweapons likeStahlta,TiberonPrime,Acceltra,evenbetterifyouhave firerate/critdamage Rivens ChromaPrimeBuildswhereyourwepsdon'trunbasedamagemodslikeSerrationorHeavyCalanyways,andarereplacedwithfirerate/crit/elems 300%+strengthWispbuildswithHastemotewherethefireratepenaltybecomesnegligibleandtheslightbonuscritchance isworthmore MaybesomefutureInternalBleedingbuildonanImpactwepwhereCriticalDelaycangetitjustunderthe2.5fireratethreshold(RubicoPrime?). Notatonofpotentialusecases,buttheyarethere.95%ofthetimeCriticalDelayisobjectivelyworse,butalotofcorruptedmodsarenotworthrunninginmostsituations,andsomearen'tworthrunningever.AtleastCriticalDelayhassomeusecases,andIwouldsayitismoreusefulpost-updatethanpre-update,sothat'sagoodsign. NotmuchtosayaboutCreepingBullseye.It'susuallymuchjustworsethanPrimedPistolGambit,butregularPistolGambitisjustworse,too.MaybethenegativefireratecanhelpapoorammoeconomyweaponoraHemorrhagebuildlookingtogetlessthan2.5firerate?IlookedandfoundthatCatchmoonandTombfingerkitgunshavebuilt-inimpactprocs,sothecomboCriticalDelay/InternalBleedingorCreepingBullseye/Hemorrhagecanmaybebeagamechangeronthem? Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Lutesque PostedMarch24,2021 Lutesque PCMember 14.9k Share PostedMarch24,2021 On2021-03-20at12:40AM,Artekkorsaid: After10yearsindevelopmentthemostlaughable"Rare"modfinallygotabuff.It nowprovides187%critchanceatthecostof36%firerate. AndthenifounditalsobecamemututallyexclusivewithPointStrike. 😐 I....IUhm...Hmmmm... Ihavenowords...Ijusthonestlyhavenowords...ImsoAngryIcan'teventhinkstraight. UnlesssomeonecantellmerightnowofasingleRiflethatwouldbenefitfromslowerFireRate🤔... On2021-03-20at12:40AM,Artekkorsaid: Soletmegetthisstraight...Youofferme multiplicative37%extraCritical Chance....Atthecostof36%firerate. That'sexactlywhatBugsme....BeforethischangeIactuallytriedthismodonmyOpticorVandaljustfortheExtraConsistencyand....Ihonestlycan'tRecommendit...   Thatbeingsaid...Atleastitisn'taCompletelyDeadmodlikeitusedtobebefore....LikesoManyotherCorruptedModsare....ManthesethingsaresuperOutdated....   AhHerewego....ThismodisperfectforTheVectis....NottheVectisPrimesincethathasa2RoundMagazinebutOGVectisonlyhasone.... OntopofthatitmightbeworthRe-ExaminingyourGrakata'sWildFrenzyBuild.  IfyoucanSlowtheFireRatejustalilbitthenyoucouldmakeiteasiertokilltoEnemieswithit.... ButwhointheworldusesWildFrenzyforPracticalpurposes?TheMemeistheWholepointoftheGrakataevenifsomeTennoaretooyoungtoorememberit.🤔   Ohlook: TheEffectisworseonBows...😐.BecauseAsweallknowBowsaretheKingofDPSsotheyhavetohavetobeslowertocompensate😐 Okaythat'sit...I'mdone.... VectisisthismodsonlySavingGrace...Ican'tthinkanythingelse. OhandTonkor....Forgotthatweaponexists...ButIthinktheAugmentismoreFun.... Seriouslythough...I'msoAngryit'smakingmytummyhurt... On2021-03-20at12:40AM,Artekkorsaid: Backtothedrawingboardpleaseandtryagain,fortheloveofgod.Thatwassoclose! EitheritshouldbePointStrikecompatibleoritshould35-40%critchanceperrankforamaximumof210-240%critchance.Atleast. IfthesemodsarenotgoingtoStack...ThentheyshouldbecomparabletoPrimedMods....  ItwouldgivenewplayersanAlternativewhiletheywaitforBaro.... Ofcoursethat'sgoingtodependontheamountofEndoitcosts. On2021-03-20at12:40AM,Artekkorsaid: Like...I'musuallynottheonetobeoverlycriticalofDE'sdesigndecisions,tryingtofindsomekindofsilverlininginthings.Butthisisactuallyundefendable.Thischangechangednothing.Mod'sstillbad.Not laughably bad,sothat'ssomeformofanimprovement.ButJesusChrist... Wait...Hangon...NotcountingtheAfformentionedVectisandTonkor.... ThisModonlyhas5Ranksright?Not10likeaPrimedModorThenoneuselesscorruptedmodslikeHeavyCaliber....So....There'syourSilverLining😉....It'sthethebestDPStoEndoRatioyoucanfindonWarframe😃. AtleastIthinkitis....I'mtolazyTodomathandtheWikidoesn'tsayhowmuchEndoitcosts. OkayI'mnotAngryanymore.AslongasthismodHelpssomeonethenItcanstaythewayitis...AndthisisdefinitelyamodIwouldhaveUsedbackwhenIstartedandrestartedWarframesooooo....  AllinAll....NotBad👍. On2021-03-20at1:07AM,Teliko_Freedmansaid: Doesthisgreatereffectalsofalloffifweweretosay....getaffectedbyaWisp'sHastemote? Notabadidea...EspeciallysinceWispisthebestSpectretouseanywaysoifonemustreallyusethisModthenIguessthatwillhelp🙂. On2021-03-20at1:55AM,Tiltskilletsaid: CreepingBullseyeishardertodefendsinceit'scompetingagainstanother187critmod. Hardindeed....Butnotimpossible....InfactsincemostpistolbuilduseLethalTorrentanyways...ThisistheCheapAlternativeforthosewhoarewaitingforBarotobringPrimedPistolGambitandIswearIcanhearLeysar'sVoiceinmyHeadasI'mTypingthisbecauseI'mprettysurehewouldmakethisconnectiontoo....  ButlikeIsaidbefore...ThewholepremiseofthisMod'sdefenceistheEndoCost....Ifit'snotthesameasbefore....ThenilgobacktobeingAngry.... On2021-03-20at2:05PM,Artekkorsaid: Icanhardlyimagineeven1case,letaloneacouple.Atthatpointwemightaswellslaptheweapons'namesontothemodandmakeitexclusivetothem,atleastwewon'thavetoplaytheguessinggame. That'sexactlywhatIwasthinkingwhenIfirstheardthis:Tonkor/VectisAugment😛. On2021-03-20at2:05PM,Artekkorsaid:   Ifthisuniversalmodonlyhasanyfunctiononlike5(andi'mbeingverycharitable)gunsoutof142primaryweaponswecurrentlyhaveinthegame-ithinkthat'sbad.Atthatpointwearetryingtofindgunsthatfitthemodandnottheotherwayaround. Whenwasthischangemadeexactly....BecauseIwanttoreadtheUpdatenotestoseewhatDE'sintensionswere... ObviouslytheintentwasnottoincreasethePerformanceontheonly2WeaponsinthegamethatcouldactuallyBenefitfromthismodbuttogivenewplayersanAlternativetoPrimedMods....AndthatisFairlyunderstandable....IthinktheCommunitywouldbedownwiththat.Butiftheyneglectedtoactuallymentionthisanywhereatallthenyeah...Theydeserveallthecritismtheyaregettingforit....NotbecauseIthinkthemodisbad....ButfornotTrustingthecommunitytoactuallyinformthemtheRealreasonbehindthechange....  BeforeIslanderanyoneIreallydoneedtoreadtheUpdateNotesforthismod....AccordingtotheWikiitwas:Update29.10 NowIjusthavetofindit. On2021-03-20at2:05PM,Artekkorsaid: Test1:iuseditonParisPrime.CCwentfrom112,5%>129,2%. Theprice:chargeratewentfrom0,50>1,79.Almost2wholesecondsofcharging.IjustmadeaS#&$tierDaikyu.Whoonearthwouldusethis? Ohwow...That's....Uhm....ThosearesomePainfulnumbersforaweaponclassthatsnotverypopulartobegin(Appreciatedsure...Butnotpopular).... InanycasewereyouusingVileAcceleration?AllmyBowsusethisModinsteadofwhateverthatothermodwasthatroundsoutyourMultishot...Forgotit'sname....It'saPlagueStarSetMod!!!That'sallIremember. Thatbeingsaid....EvenwithVileAccelerationmyDaikyufeltSluggishonlymyDreadfeltjustright.... On2021-03-20at2:05PM,Artekkorsaid: Okay,letstryKuvaChakkhurr. CC:125%>143,5% FireRate:1.17>0,747. Fieldtest:becausegun/recoilanimationsdon'tgetadjustedtofireratethereisnowanannoying0,5secondsdelaywhereican'tfiremygunfornoapparentreasons,likeitjamms.Nothorrible,butstillannoying.Ihavetocount2secondsinmyheadbeforeicanfireagain. Yeahthat'snotgood....theChakkhur'sFireRatewassomethingthatalwaysBuggedmetobeginwith...It'sreloadspeedtoo....  Iwouldn'tletCriticalDelayanywherenearthisGun. On2021-03-20at2:05PM,Artekkorsaid: Andi'mstillfairlycertainiwillhaveabetterDPSbysimplyshootingmoreoften. Thisisuseless. It'suselessintermsofperformance....ButinotherAreas...Maybe EventheWikimakesnomentionofitsusefulnessintermsofoverallBuildEconomyandPracticality..... IfsomeonecanconfirmhowmuchthesemodscosttorankupthentheyshouldgoaheadandupdatetheWiki😝. On2021-03-20at6:07PM,Tiltskilletsaid:   SomeweaponsIwouldconsiderusingCriticalDelayonatleastsituationallyareVectis,theLatrons,Rubico,Grakata,andAcceletra.  I'mabitScepticalabouttheLatronspecificallybecauseofDoubleTap....IhavethisprettyDopeLatronWraithRiven(becauseVariantsmatternow)thatgivesaheftyamountofMultishotandandCritChance.....  AndsincewhoeverdesignedSemiAutomaticWeaponsinwarframewashighoncrack....usingaMacrotoProcDoubleTaptomaximumeffectisespeciallyeffective....The"Secret"FireRateiskeytoDoubleTap'sSuccessandusingCriticalDelayinsteadofPointStrikeisgoingtohurtthat....EspeciallysinceIhaveaRivensoIdon'thaveASlotfreetoslideinVileAccelerationtoCompensate. On2021-03-20at9:27PM,Artekkorsaid: Asforwhyigoforbows/chakkhurrs/alreadyslowgunsisbecauseithinkittobeafunideatotakeaslowweapon,makeitevenslowerbutinreturnitdeliversasinglenuke-punchthatcanjustnukethetargetoutofexistence.Adedicatedone-shotbosskiller,orsomethinglikethat.Ilikegunslikethat,butinwarframetheyalmostneverhavethedamagetocompensatetheslowness Metoo...Andyes...Warframeisindeedlackinginsuchaweapon....EventheCombinationoftheVelocitusBuffsandPrimedRubedoLinedBarrelcouldn'tfix thatsincetheMultishotModforArchweaponislaughablybad.....ActuallyallArchweaponModsareworsethanotherweaponvariantswiththeexceptionoftheIPSandElementalmods. Atanyrate....Whoknows....MaybesomedayDEwillScrewUpandDoubletheOpticor'sCritChancebyaccident....Givingusabout30MinutesofrealfunwithitbeforetheyHotfixitbackintothedumpster....That'sthemostwecanhopeforinWarframe..... Wewon'tbeseeinganyNiohStyleOneShotBuildsanytimesoon....😞. On2021-03-20at10:05PM,Tiltskilletsaid: Inmostcases,absolutely. ButthatispaperDPS. Inactualgameplay,applieddpsisneverusingeveryavailableattackpersecond. Admitit....IttookawhileforyoutoformulatethatCounterPoint😛.... Onereallyhastodigdeeptofindthingsaboutthismodthataregood....Butthankfullytheydoexist....  Imyselfneverwouldhaveconsideredtheactualnon-simulacrumperformance...😝.   Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... taiiat PostedMarch24,2021 taiiat Master 29.9k Share PostedMarch24,2021 On2021-03-19at6:50PM,NekroArtssaid: Thesellingpointwassupposetobethis"greatereffectwhenbelow2.5firerate"and"synergy"withbothCriticalDelayandCreepingBullseye.Sofar,I'mnotseeinganythingnoticeable;eitherit'snotimplemented,bugged,orDEneedstooutrighttelluswhat'ssupposetohappen.  right,theChangelogsaidCriticalDelayandCreepingBullseyearedoublewhenyourFireRateislow... buttheydon'tactuallydothat. butthatwouldmakethemactuallyworthusing! (alsowhyleaveCriticalDecelerationoutinthecold,heh) Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Lutesque PostedMarch25,2021 Lutesque PCMember 14.9k Share PostedMarch25,2021 18hoursago,taiiatsaid: right,theChangelogsaidCriticalDelayandCreepingBullseyearedoublewhenyourFireRateislow... Itdoes?😮 ButtheUpdateNotesdon'tmentionthat...Dothey? Itseemslikethere'ssomesortofcommunicationbreakdownatDE.... BTWaccordingtotheUpdateNotes...TheydidinfacttryselltheideaasaPerformanceratherthanaAccessibilityBuff.... SoI'mbacktobeingAngryAgain....Actuallyyouknowwhat...Angryistoostrong....Let'sjustsayI'mreallyannoyedbutstillsomewhatSatisfiedbecauseultimatelythisisaGoodChange. 18hoursago,taiiatsaid: buttheydon'tactuallydothat. butthatwouldmakethemactuallyworthusing! AndasaResulttheymightaddedaCoupleNotchestotheMod'sRanktoCompensate.... SinceI'mnotparticularlyinterestedindealingmoreDamage(IaminterestedinConsistencythough)...I'mnotentirelyonBoardwiththeideaofDoublingtheEffect... 18hoursago,taiiatsaid: (alsowhyleaveCriticalDecelerationoutinthecold,heh) Youknowwhy....DEareveryskiddishaboutAnyandallchangesregardingShotguns... Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... taiiat PostedMarch25,2021 taiiat Master 29.9k Share PostedMarch25,2021 3hoursago,Lutesquesaid: Itdoes? ButtheUpdateNotesdon'tmentionthat...Dothey? butingame,theydonotdothis. Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)Rez090 PostedMarch25,2021 (XBOX)Rez090 XboxMember 2.5k Share PostedMarch25,2021 23minutesago,taiiatsaid: butingame,theydonotdothis. Isitmaybethattheweaponalreadyneedstohaveabaseof2.5,notmodified? Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Lutesque PostedMarch25,2021 Lutesque PCMember 14.9k Share PostedMarch25,2021 31minutesago,taiiatsaid: butingame,theydonotdothis. Yep.....ItwaswordedPoorly.... ImeantobefrankitwasABoldfacedliebutsinceIlikeMegIlgowithPoorWording. 8minutesago,(XBOX)Rez090said: Isitmaybethattheweaponalreadyneedstohaveabaseof2.5,notmodified? You'rewelcometotestitandLetusknow...😝... Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)Rez090 PostedMarch25,2021 (XBOX)Rez090 XboxMember 2.5k Share PostedMarch25,2021 Justnow,Lutesquesaid: You'rewelcometotestitandLetusknow...😝... Nextmonth... Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Lutesque PostedMarch25,2021 Lutesque PCMember 14.9k Share PostedMarch25,2021 1minuteago,(XBOX)Rez090said: Nextmonth... DEshouldjustdelayPCUpdatessothateverybodygetsitatthesametime.... Weshouldallsuffersimultaneously!!!😈!!! Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... (XBOX)Rez090 PostedMarch25,2021 (XBOX)Rez090 XboxMember 2.5k Share PostedMarch25,2021 1minuteago,Lutesquesaid: DEshouldjustdelayPCUpdatessothateverybodygetsitatthesametime.... Weshouldallsuffersimultaneously!!!😈!!! 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